Quick Look: BMW M4

"Mosqvich" (mosqvich) 06/25/2014 at 18:39 • Filed to: BMW M4, Quick Look

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Today I had a chance to sit in a new BMW M4 - the first one in my area. Frankly, I was surprised it hasn't already sold, but the dealer believes it will be gone within a day or two. Its Mineral Grey paint is alluring. Someone will snap this up quickly in my opinion.

This is a car about details. It reminds me of a finely crafted watch. It really does. While it has the same feel of the M3s before it, it seems a little more bespoke, even though it is fairly standard. The interior is very well done and comfortable. The driver feels cocooned, but in a comforting way. It is not a manual transmission car and this should come as no surprise.

I didn't get a chance to drive it - yet. I hope to drive an M4 in the near future and bring you some more !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! Will it be as exciting as the Jaguar F-Type Coupe? It's hard to say, but it is actually a little nicer in the cabin area. +1 BMW.

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This particular car was sticker priced at $77k.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 18:42

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$77K sweet jesus is that CP

heliochrome85 > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 18:42

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in before someone says they'd take a Fiesta ST over this.

People, they don't understand details.

heliochrome85 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 18:44

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Why?

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 18:45

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Its really not, considering how fast and capable it is.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 18:46

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In b4 someone says they'd rather have an old Cadillac over this because Jalopnik.

Saracen > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 18:46

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But let's face it, we arabs do have a fetish regarding German machines..

heliochrome85 > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 06/25/2014 at 18:47

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Id buy an old cadillac in ADDITION to this. because cadillac.

EL_ULY > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 18:47

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$77,000 ??? no pinches mames guey! CP of the year!!!!!!

heliochrome85 > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 06/25/2014 at 18:47

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He's just mad because you can't buy it with well worn socks, hopes, dreams and pocket lint.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 18:52

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C7 Corvette, used M3/5, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, 335i, etc... can all be had for much less and deliver much of the same performance.

heliochrome85 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 18:53

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you're not the owner demographic. that you think this is in the same class as a camaro or challenger is laughable.

Mosqvich > EL_ULY 06/25/2014 at 18:55

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Try pricing a Jaguar or a 911. It's a bargain.

Mosqvich > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 18:56

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Again, price out a 911 or even a Cayman.

For Sweden > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 18:58

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Try pricing a Corvette C7 Z51, or heck even a Z06

heliochrome85 > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 18:58

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its funny how much people have opinions about price, yet very few on here actually can afford the very vehicles they berate. This is a finely crafted machine, and is worth every penny BMW charges for it.

Garrett Davis > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 19:00

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Boooo!

ly2v8-Brian > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 19:02

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I love the M4, but elitist much?

Jonathan Harper > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 19:03

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they have never done "M" badges like this ever before...

EL_ULY > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 19:03

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lol oh and you've never done it? No mames :] Once you put up a price, it's in our JalopOPPO blood to ask ourselves....1 $77,000 M3 or 7 Panthers with coyote and manual swaps :]

ly2v8-Brian > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 19:04

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I would love to see the M4 vs the Z28 on the track.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 19:04

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Caymen GTS- $75,200

Corvette Z51 3LT- $66,000

Camaro ZL1- $56,150

All faster cars for less.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > ly2v8-Brian 06/25/2014 at 19:06

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Z/28 would destroy it, hands down, no contest.

Mosqvich > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 19:07

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Maybe the Caymen as a substitute, but the others would never be cross-shopped for an M4, in my opinion. However, when I was shopping a Caymen it priced out much higher than $75k. It was in the mid 80s.

Mosqvich > Jonathan Harper 06/25/2014 at 19:08

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Good catch.

Mosqvich > Garrett Davis 06/25/2014 at 19:08

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Hey, I have a disability and can't manage a clutch, so for me it's a win.

heliochrome85 > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 19:10

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you are an idiot mosqvich, you should have bought three FiSTs. They are simply better than anything on the road ever.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 19:10

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You can take a base Caymen well into the 120,000's if you so desire, but I don't see why a Camaro ZL1 wouldn't be a competitor.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 19:12

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My BMW was worth every penny, but it sure didn't cost 77K

Garrett Davis > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 19:12

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Nah, I'm just kidding. The new BMW autos are ridiculously quick actually.

ly2v8-Brian > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 19:16

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That is such a beast machine.

EL_ULY > ly2v8-Brian 06/25/2014 at 19:16

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lol right!

EL_ULY > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 19:17

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Z/28 :]

Jonathan Harper > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 19:17

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I noticed when I rubbed myself all over the F80 M3 at NYIAS. I'm not a fan...looks gaudy with the chrome trim. I'm just not a fan of chrome trim in general.

seoultrain > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 19:28

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The base car is worth every penny. The $15k in options is debatable, depending on the options.

GTRZILLAR32-Now saving for Godzilla and a condo > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 19:50

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I'll take my E46 M3 but it is a nice car.

heliochrome85 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 19:51

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and which one do you have?

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 19:51

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An E36 328i

Mosqvich > GTRZILLAR32-Now saving for Godzilla and a condo 06/25/2014 at 19:54

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I have an E46 (but not M3) and love it too. However, at some point I'll need a big boy car.

CPT Speedbump > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 20:00

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Eweee...

Mosqvich > Jonathan Harper 06/25/2014 at 20:02

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I didn't see a "Black Line" where you can get blacked out trim, but I bet it will be available.

Mosqvich > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 20:06

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Base M4: $66k.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 20:08

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That's more reasonable. 11K in options is rediculus.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 20:10

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I hear that will get you a diesel, manual Volvo wagon though. Hell you might even get them to knock the lint off the price.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 20:13

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Lol 335i...not even going to go there. Challenger...same. This thing should run 11s in the quarter stock. I don't see any Challenger doing that. We won't even address the handling, interior, tech, looks...etc. Camaro...yeah I just saw a Z/28 listed at 84k...so...no. Nothing else will come close except a 1LE which is still expensive and is not nearly as nice of a car. Mustang....again...not even close. C7 is a legit comparison...although a very different car. However both are nice. Optioned similarly will get you a similar price for the Vette. A used M3? Instead of a new M3? Ok...sure....not really a fair comparison to make...every car ever made can be bought for less used except for a few.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > EL_ULY 06/25/2014 at 20:13

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Those are more expensive and slower

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 20:14

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M3 starts at 62k, FYI. This thing will eat a ZL1 for lunch around a track and has the side benefit of not having a shit interior. Z51 is not less. Cayman is certainly not less....

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > For Sweden 06/25/2014 at 20:15

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A Z51 as someone so nicely pointed out starts at 66k. The M3 starts at 62k. I'd rather have this, and honestly if you need one car and can only have one car the M is far more practical.

Alfalfa > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 20:17

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aaaah! The first one purchased in my area was at c&c last weekend, and I was going to post some pics I took. I slacked off, and someone beat me to the punch.

heliochrome85 > ly2v8-Brian 06/25/2014 at 20:19

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elitist or not, cars are much more than a fact sheet. Im sorry that not everyone can understand that the slower car might actually be the better one.

Saracen > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 20:24

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With all the options the M4 tops out at $89k..

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 06/25/2014 at 20:29

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ZL1 Nürburgring— 7:41

M4- 7:52

You were saying?

For Sweden > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 06/25/2014 at 20:30

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The Z51 starts at $58k

EtrnL_Frost > Garrett Davis 06/25/2014 at 20:35

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Wait, is that really what the most recent iteration of the slushbox looks like, or is that the SMG? I haven't been in enough F10's (and newer) lately to know off hand. And there is a difference.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 06/25/2014 at 20:38

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11's in the 1/4 mile? LOL You seriously believe a new M3/4 will do an 11 second 1/4 mile stock? Can I have what your smoking?

ly2v8-Brian > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 20:39

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Once outside of the facts and figures, you are in the realm of opinion, and every opinion is valid. So let's not look down on others for having a dissenting view.

Mosqvich > Saracen 06/25/2014 at 21:00

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And with a base model it's under $70k

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 21:10

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They must have EVERY option on that car. I optioned one out at ~$67k earlier.

Mosqvich > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/25/2014 at 21:24

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not every option, but a lot.

Nibby > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 21:37

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inb4 someone says they'd take a Toyota Corolla S over this. Anyone in their right mind would.

TheStraightSixKid > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 21:41

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As do i

ThePenguin > heliochrome85 06/25/2014 at 21:41

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I would take a Fiesta ST over this. It's all about opinions, so stop berating others for theirs.

Manuél Ferrari > EtrnL_Frost 06/25/2014 at 21:51

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It's a DCT

Manuél Ferrari > ly2v8-Brian 06/25/2014 at 21:53

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Doesn't seem like it will be much of a fight. The Z28 would probably stomp it.

Manuél Ferrari > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 21:54

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He was kidding. You missed his FP post on manuals vs. automatics.

Manuél Ferrari > Garrett Davis 06/25/2014 at 21:54

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I get the joke :)

PatBateman > ThePenguin 06/25/2014 at 21:55

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This is OppoLock. Instead of accusing each other of being racists and libertarians like they do at Gawker, we slander each other over car preferences. It's all in good fun, so lighten up!

Manuél Ferrari > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 21:56

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At least they didn't raise the price much. The last M3 with some options was about the same.

PatBateman > EtrnL_Frost 06/25/2014 at 21:57

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Looks like a shiftable auto DCT.

Manuél Ferrari > Mosqvich 06/25/2014 at 21:58

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M3s/M4s should only be white, blue or techno violet.

That is all.

EtrnL_Frost > Manuél Ferrari 06/25/2014 at 22:09

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DCT's ain't bad by no stretch. I'd take one.

Manuél Ferrari > EtrnL_Frost 06/25/2014 at 22:11

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Nope. I have this DCT's daddy in the E90 M3.

Actually who knows if it's even it's Daddy. It might be the same exact box.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 22:22

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Why don't you go do the math...the M5 with a worse power to weight ratio easily gets into the 11s...and an M3 just dyno'd at about 425/425. To the wheels. Which means about 500/500 at the crank with quite a fat curve and DCT box that shifts extremely quickly. Yup, I do seriously believe it.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 22:23

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Horsepower makes a difference, ZL1 makes at least 80 more.

EtrnL_Frost > Manuél Ferrari 06/25/2014 at 22:23

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Sorry, I actually confused myself in my last post. By "nope" do you mean you don't like, or do like DCT's?

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 06/25/2014 at 22:50

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If a 427 Corvette with 505 HP and 100 lbs lighter than an m4 managed to get an 11.9 there is no way an M4 makes it easily into the 11's. And the M3 is SAE rated at 425 HP, which is at the crank.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 06/25/2014 at 22:51

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But you just said that the M3 was making 500...

Manuél Ferrari > EtrnL_Frost 06/25/2014 at 22:59

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Haha now I see how that could be confusing. I meant nope, they're bad by no stretch.

I went buck wild and got each type of manual and manual-ish transmission. I have a 6MT, SMG, and the DCT.

This is the summary of how I feel towards each type:

Stick: the most fun around town when traffic isn't terrible and when doing pleasure drives on the weekend like canyon runs

DCT: the quickest, most competent. Fun when driving hard. Great in stop and go traffic. Kind of boring when just cruising around.

Single Clutch Paddle Shift: kind of the halfway point between the other two. More engaging than the DCT around town. Not as engaging as stick. Better in heavy traffic than stick (but it wears the clutch faster than a stick in traffic). Not as fast as a DCT.

If I could only have one car I'd go stick only because I live close to work and don't have to travel for work that much anymore. If I had to drive a lot to get to work and/or go to a ton of work meetings then I would go DCT if I could only have one car.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Saracen 06/25/2014 at 23:30

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anothermiatafanboy > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/25/2014 at 23:52

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Im with you, bullshit on the M4 easily getting 11s. Low 12s would be admirable for the car.

PS9 > Mosqvich 06/26/2014 at 00:06

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R.I.P. S65

Gone but not forgotten.

Garrett Davis > Manuél Ferrari 06/26/2014 at 00:31

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Glad someone caught that ;)

Henry Diesel > heliochrome85 06/26/2014 at 01:10

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I wouldn't take a Fiesta ST over this. For that price I would take 3 ST's!

Titus > Mosqvich 06/26/2014 at 01:33

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I don't know. The BMW M4 doesn't really stand out to me. At least not enough for me want to pay 77k for it. What features have been added to it that makes it different from the M3?

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/26/2014 at 01:37

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427 Corvette has a 6 speed manual and not a 7 speed DCT. Believe it or not that makes a huge difference. Also the BMW probably has shorter gearing, most BMWs are geared pretty short. Give the Vette the tranny from the M4 and it would smack it around pretty well. I don't really care what the SAE rating is, facts are facts. And a well known, well-respected tuner just dyno'd a factory stock M3 at 425/425 at the wheels. No BMW turbo motor has ever made anything like what they claim...they've all made more. The S63tu tends to make somewhere between 620-640 depending on break-in.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 06/26/2014 at 01:39

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Hence at least 80 more...ZL1 makes 580 no? Although I have a feeling it might be a bit more.

robstrombone > Garrett Davis 06/26/2014 at 02:51

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Bah, there's one at BMW of Peabody (MA) that has a six speed. All black? Hell yes.

this is not matt farah's foxbodymiata > Nibby 06/26/2014 at 03:37

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Hey, hey, hey mister fancy M4, is you grounded to the ground? NO? THATS WHAT I THOUGHT. +1 toyota

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 06/26/2014 at 08:55

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...this.

I'd rather have an XJS than the new M3/4. Nothing against the M3/4, I just love the XJS :)

VinnieDeutsch > heliochrome85 06/26/2014 at 09:22

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Dude, from my personal experience, people who talk about price with relation to performance and how something like a camaro is better than an M3/4 because it is cheaper and can run a 1/4 in a similar time all have the same issue...they don't care about interior (that place they will spend most of their car related time) and they don't care about interior because they've never had a car with an exceptionally well built and well designed one.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > Mosqvich 06/26/2014 at 10:05

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Very good point. The F-Type R Coupe starts at $86,000, although it does have 542bhp to the M4's ~491bhp (BMW under-rated it at 421bhp, 491bhp is based on a whp dyno run + 15% for drivetrain losses).

heliochrome85 > VinnieDeutsch 06/26/2014 at 10:25

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accurate.

EtrnL_Frost > Manuél Ferrari 06/26/2014 at 12:32

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Ah. Thanks for bringing clarity. FWIW, I welcome out DCT overlords, but that's likely the motorcyclist in me speaking.

Manuél Ferrari > EtrnL_Frost 06/26/2014 at 12:43

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No prob! I made a whole post on the differences a while ago but I was too lazy to dig it up. I can do so if you'd like to read it.

Ah yes sequential boxes have been around in motorcycles for years. I once read that the DCT in the GTR feels like a motorcycle box. I haven't driven it myself.

Did you know Porsche started using PDK in their race cars in the 80s? They wanted to bring it to road cars in the 993 Turbo but the cost would have been too high and it wasn't smooth enough for the road back then. It must have been more crude before modern electronics.

Mosqvich > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires 06/26/2014 at 15:24

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Actually, I was talking about the F-Type S Coupe, which is at 380 hp. It'll run about $80k with appropriate options. Of course the Jag is beautiful.

Mosqvich > Titus 06/26/2014 at 15:25

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It's a little lighter. Probably more stiff too. I think it has a little more power. It definitely is more efficient.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Mosqvich 06/26/2014 at 15:30

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For all those saying they'd rather have a (more expensive and less practical) Cayman S...Auto Express just tested an M4 and it lapped their track quicker than a Cayman...and it's not a power track.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > Mosqvich 06/26/2014 at 15:45

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So you're right. I thought it was the S that was $86k, the R starts at $109k.

That would probably be acceptable for such a stunning car if the BMW actually had 421bhp, but considering that it's actually close to 500bhp that's a bit of a performance deficit on the Jag's side compared to price (unless that's similarly under-rated).

Mosqvich > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires 06/26/2014 at 17:22

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I still might get the F-Type. It sounds amazing. Decisions. Decisions.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 06/26/2014 at 17:31

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*Cayman S if that wasn't clear.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > Mosqvich 06/26/2014 at 17:43

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I'd definitely get the F-Type.

Coupe V6 S for me, in BRG with whatever colour interior (I'd get it re-upholstered in tan/bisquit as they don't offer it stock).

Then, I'd swap in a 6-speed from something, up the boost a little and start pulling out as much unnecessary weight as possible. I'd be looking for 1400-1450kg down from 1590kg, but that might be a little optimistic :S

Pretty much exactly as above, wheel choice as well. Either that or Flag Blue Metallic, which is the colour used by Ecurie Ecosse (not offered as a factory colour unfortunately).